SW house rules

start characters at 4th

+1 starship feat
+1 background skill
+1 background knowledge

all abilities start at 10 +20 pts to spend 1:1

place holder for Force, light\dark side rules

post your characters here with some backstory, the more the better, as a work in progress is fine. I may add\subtract a bit to fit into the story

at least explain your background feat\skill\know and how you got to 4th

whit10 wrote:do you mean extra class skills or extra skill points to spend as far as those bonuses are concerned?

neither

Chris wrote:
I was looking over PF generation a bit, I will probably give +1 background skill and +1 background knowledge (skill) as well as the background starship feat. They can be anything directly related to your background. They are not bonus skill points, just 1 specific skill + 1 specific knowledge, that automatically get +1 pt per level for free.

So just pick 1 skill and 1 knowledge that come from your background. Both are always at max for your level, for free. You can't spend those points anywhere else or in any other way. Just indicate which are your background skill\know somehow and then chose the rest of your skills as usual.

capiche?

whit10 wrote:So if I want to that to be Pilot and Knowledge Streetwise, they just stay maxed and don't figure into the skill pt total...got it

right

Armor - Damage Reduction also reduces Vitality damage, just like Radiance\PF. Ignore the silliness in the Rule Book about it only reducing Wound damage.

NOTE - Critical Hits bypass Vitality and go straight to the Wounds. So no matter how high level you are, a good crit HURTS. DR still applies of course.

NOTE - when you are WOUNDED, have taken even 1 pt of wound damage, you cannot RUN or CHARGE and take a -2 penalty to Str and Dex. so -1 to hit, damage, -1 DC, skill checks, etc

this is to represent that you are actually hurt, fatigued and now a step slower. remember that vitality losses are not really getting hit, they are near misses\blocks\dodges that wear you down over time.

Healing is the opposite of Radiance. Vitality regenerates very quickly, basically after each fight you return to full. Wounds are very hard to heal. Check your various skills for more details, but it usually requires overnight rest to heal wounds.

Treat Injury for example cannot directly heal wounds, but it does double the overnight healing amount

Force Heals - Heal self\Heal Another can heal wounds, but you have to get over a 20+ on the check to heal like 1d4 wounds or something, otherwise it only removes conditions or restores vitality.

Restoring vitality after fights

Thanks Josh for asking a good question

There are multiple ways to restore vitality:

Treat Injury skill restores a number of vitality equal to RANKS in TI

Heal Self

Heal Another

rest - you get 1 vitality per level per hour, so you get 4\hr at 4th


What we defaulted to in my table top group was basically just getting fully 'healed up' of vitality (not wounds) after each fight. We did this to avoid 20 minutes of rolling dice in a healing-circle jerk after combat.

I heal another you, you heal another me, I heal self me, you heal self you, now I treat injury you, you treat injury me, now we both rest for 1 hour.... shazaam, everyone is basically full anyways but it took lots of dice, med kit accounting....

So unless there is an obvious reason - like you are in a chase or an escape or a dungeon crawl (less common in SW) basically figure you will get all your vitality back after each fight and a brief rest.

Wound points are a different matter and much harder to heal.

navyik wrote:Heroes guide has a chart: 4500

that works!

I also forgot to mention, sorry


combine the following skills:

Spot + Listen = Perception

Hide + Move Silently = Stealth

Jump + climb = Athletics


if you see any others, let me know


HOWEVER!

note that some races\classes\feats\etc give a specific bonus, ie a Wookie's claws give +2 to climbing, so that bonus ONLY applies when Athletics is used to Climb, not to jump.

a bonus to stealth (like a stealth suit, say +10 to hide) wouldn't help with making noise (like inviso in D&D) so you get the full bonus when remaining stationary (hiding) but not while moving.

So I would keep those bonuses separate and not include them in your skill total or do something like

Athletics 10
---climb 12

it just helps with skill points to avoid redundancy

navyik wrote:Ballance and tumbe for acrobatics?

Search included in perception or not?

acrobatics - yes

Search in Perception - no

Robyo wrote:Opposed checks too?

Insight vs Bluff?

Stealth vs Perception?


What about grappling? I think opposed strength, (or just attacking someone's Fort) works pretty good.

yes and yes

and I think Alan is correct, but I will double check. It doesn't come up that often in SW, but you never know

Ok, after reading both PF and Radiance, I think I am going to go with PF on this one.

Combat Maneuver Bonus: Each character and creature has a Combat Maneuver Bonus (or CMB) that represents its skill at performing combat maneuvers. A creature's CMB is determined using the following formula:

CMB = Base attack bonus + Strength modifier + special size modifier

Combat Maneuver Defense: Each character and creature has a Combat Maneuver Defense (or CMD) that represents its ability to resist combat maneuvers. A creature's CMD is determined using the following formula:

CMD = 10 + Base attack bonus + Strength modifier + Dexterity modifier + special size modifier

Grapple

As a standard action, you can attempt to grapple a foe, hindering his combat options. If you do not have Improved Grapple, grab, or a similar ability, attempting to grapple a foe provokes an attack of opportunity from the target of your maneuver. Humanoid creatures without two free hands attempting to grapple a foe take a –4 penalty on the combat maneuver roll. If successful, both you and the target gain the grappled condition (see the Appendices). If you successfully grapple a creature that is not adjacent to you, move that creature to an adjacent open space (if no space is available, your grapple fails). Although both creatures have the grappled condition, you can, as the creature that initiated the grapple, release the grapple as a free action, removing the condition from both you and the target. If you do not release the grapple, you must continue to make a check each round, as a standard action, to maintain the hold. If your target does not break the grapple, you get a +5 circumstance bonus on grapple checks made against the same target in subsequent rounds. Once you are grappling an opponent, a successful check allows you to continue grappling the foe, and also allows you to perform one of the following actions (as part of the standard action spent to maintain the grapple).

Move: You can move both yourself and your target up to half your speed. At the end of your movement, you can place your target in any square adjacent to you. If you attempt to place your foe in a hazardous location, such as in a wall of fire or over a pit, the target receives a free attempt to break your grapple with a +4 bonus.

Damage: You can inflict damage to your target equal to your unarmed strike, a natural attack, or an attack made with armor spikes or a light or one-handed weapon. This damage can be either lethal or nonlethal.

Pin: You can give your opponent the pinned condition (see Conditions). Despite pinning your opponent, you still only have the grappled condition, but you lose your Dexterity bonus to AC.

Tie Up: If you have your target pinned, otherwise restrained, or unconscious, you can use rope to tie him up. This works like a pin effect, but the DC to escape the bonds is equal to 20 + your Combat Maneuver Bonus (instead of your CMD). The ropes do not need to make a check every round to maintain the pin. If you are grappling the target, you can attempt to tie him up in ropes, but doing so requires a combat maneuver check at a –10 penalty. If the DC to escape from these bindings is higher than 20 + the target's CMB, the target cannot escape from the bonds, even with a natural 20 on the check.

If You Are Grappled: If you are grappled, you can attempt to break the grapple as a standard action by making a combat maneuver check (DC equal to your opponent's CMD; this does not provoke an attack of opportunity) or Escape Artist check (with a DC equal to your opponent's CMD). If you succeed, you break the grapple and can act normally. Alternatively, if you succeed, you can become the grappler, grappling the other creature (meaning that the other creature cannot freely release the grapple without making a combat maneuver check, while you can). Instead of attempting to break or reverse the grapple, you can take any action that doesn't require two hands to perform, such as cast a spell or make an attack or full attack with a light or one-handed weapon against any creature within your reach, including the creature that is grappling you. See the grappled condition for additional details. If you are pinned, your actions are very limited. See the pinned condition in Conditions for additional details.


CMB also covers stuff like Overrun, Bullrush, etc

please read pages 63-65 for rules, but the one that is not obvious is about defense class, you need to apply a -2 to your DC for each class, when you multi, this offsets the inherent 'starting DC' otherwise, you could jack up your DC real quick

Everyone else - if you have a similar feat that you want to substitute for the starship one AND it makes as much sense as FAME for the wookie, just ask and we'll work something out. I would certainly allow a Skill Emphasis Feat in something used on a ship like Repair or Computer, since there really are no Technical Starship Feats. (copied to house rules)

here are a few more Starship feats and some new uses for skill

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FROM PATHFINDER, since we adopted using Stealth instead of Hide\Move Silently


Stealth
(Dex; Armor Check Penalty)

You are skilled at avoiding detection, allowing you to slip past foes or strike from an unseen position. This skill covers hiding and moving silently.

Check: Your Stealth check is opposed by the Perception check of anyone who might notice you. Creatures that fail to beat your Stealth check are not aware of you and treat you as if you had concealment. You can move up to half your normal speed and use Stealth at no penalty. When moving at a speed greater than half but less than your normal speed, you take a –5 penalty. It's impossible to use Stealth while attacking, running, or charging.

Creatures gain a bonus or penalty on Stealth checks based on their size: Fine +16, Diminutive +12, Tiny +8, Small +4, Medium +0, Large -4, Huge -8, Gargantuan -12, Colossal -16.

If people are observing you using any of their senses (but typically sight), you can't use Stealth. Against most creatures, finding cover or concealment allows you to use Stealth. If your observers are momentarily distracted (such as by a Bluff check), you can attempt to use Stealth. While the others turn their attention from you, you can attempt a Stealth check if you can get to an unobserved place of some kind. This check, however, is made at a –10 penalty because you have to move fast.

Breaking Stealth: When you start your turn using Stealth, you can leave cover or concealment and remain unobserved as long as you succeed at a Stealth check and end your turn in cover or concealment. Your Stealth immediately ends after you make and attack roll, whether or not the attack is successful (except when sniping as noted below).

Sniping: If you've already successfully used Stealth at least 10 feet from your target, you can make one ranged attack and then immediately use Stealth again. You take a –20 penalty on your Stealth check to maintain your obscured location.

Creating a Diversion to Hide: You can use Bluff to allow you to use Stealth. A successful Bluff check can give you the momentary diversion you need to attempt a Stealth check while people are aware of you.

Action: Usually none. Normally, you make a Stealth check as part of movement, so it doesn't take a separate action. However, using Stealth immediately after a ranged attack (see Sniping, above) is a move action.

Special: If you are invisible, you gain a +40 bonus on Stealth checks if you are immobile, or a +20 bonus on Stealth checks if you're moving.

If you have the Stealthy feat, you get a bonus on Stealth checks (see Feats).

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/dice/dice.htm

nice new dice roller, little different layout than dicelog.com

Pinned - combining SW and PF

once you are grappling you can make further grappling attacks (CMB) to do 1 of 5 things.

Damage, as an unarmed strike, with a +5 to grapple roll (CMB)

Pin - grapple check (CMB), immobilize opponent for 1 round (in other words, you have to roll to pin each round)

Break Pin of another, multiple grapplers (CMB)

Escape - via escape artist

Weapon - attack with a light wpn, as usual, not CMB, just regular attack roll


If you get multiple attacks in a round, you can make multiple grapple checks, ie 1 to pin, 1 to damage.... or 2 damaging attacks.... or 2 tries to pin if the first one fails, etc

Pinned: A pinned creature is tightly bound and can take few actions. A pinned creature cannot move and is denied its Dexterity bonus.. A pinned character also takes an additional –4 penalty to his Armor Class. A pinned creature is limited in the actions that it can take. A pinned creature can always attempt to free itself, usually through a combat maneuver check or Escape Artist check. A pinned creature can take verbal and mental actions, but cannot cast any spells that require a somatic or material component. A pinned character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level) or lose the spell. Pinned is a more severe version of grappled, and their effects do not stack.

If you are pinned, you can make a grapple check, as an attack (CMB) to break the pin and get back to just grappled.