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    Post  Chris on Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:39 pm

    +2 Dex Belt

    Enfield Rifle +1, Flaming 1d6

    2 scrolls

    he hands a wand to whomever... it's a Darkvision wand, 20 charges


    don't forget the 2000 pounds that you were given (and did not have to use)








    soldier at 7th, that seems reasonable for Uncanny Dodge

    Dan - wait until I get a chance to do a re-cap on SW, otherwise there is too much to read, that story went on for like 9 months.  Do you want the Shadowrun 4e main book?  you could start to familiarize yourself with those rules, since it seems like there is interest in going that route (Josh, Rob, Alan)

    new book - good observation, Dan, that does seem pretty OP

    LOOT - by Dan's count, he should get the belt, or he could use some of the $2000 and maybe give CR3 the belt?  that way, it seems like we all get something useful
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    Re: Loot

    Post  Robyo on Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:48 pm

    Arcturus2 wrote:
    Elliot called off any claim to the belt, unless nobody else wants to take it.  Of course it's useful but his Dex is already +4 so it's possibly more useful to someone else..

    And Olivia has UMD as a feat so the wand is valuable, we should definitely give it to her.

    So by my count, Olivia gets the wand (and a couple scrolls, and the chance to peruse Rashid's library for possible NEW spells), CJC gets the flaming Enfield, JT and CRIII are using the cash from Norris to load up on gear? Is that about right?

    Use Magic Device? It's a skill, not a feat. But yeah, Olivia will take the wand. And the scrolls. Both of which are totally redundant with her spells and Hex.

    Also waiting on any spells to copy... Sleep

    So that's not to say Olivia doesn't actually want other useful items some day. She won't fight about loot, this time.

    And what's up with 2000 gold? If that's party treasure, we need to divide it up equally.
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    Post  Arcturus2 on Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:23 pm

    Chris wrote:soldier at 7th, that seems reasonable for Uncanny Dodge

    Dan - wait until I get a chance to do a re-cap on SW, otherwise there is too much to read, that story went on for like 9 months.  Do you want the Shadowrun 4e main book?  you could start to familiarize yourself with those rules, since it seems like there is interest in going that route (Josh, Rob, Alan)

    new book - good observation, Dan, that does seem pretty OP

    LOOT - by Dan's count, he should get the belt, or he could use some of the $2000 and maybe give CR3 the belt?  that way, it seems like we all get something useful

    Cool man. Seems like we're gonna be in WoD for a bit. Yeah, I could get into the SR 4e book, if you wanted to send it that'd be great.
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    Re: Loot

    Post  navyik on Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:46 pm

    Maybe Rashid will buy the belt if nobody wants it.
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    Re: Loot

    Post  Robyo on Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:13 am

    It should go to a Dex-based character, at any rate. I suppose anyone would find it useful, including Olivia.

    Who wants to wrestle for it?
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    Post  Arcturus2 on Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:28 am

    It's up to everyone. Elliot would be happy to wear it. I just don't wanna seem greedy with our loot.
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    Post  Arcturus2 on Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:30 am

    navyik wrote:Cr3 already has a dex belt. Its cool if y'all wanna divy up square, maybe we let the loot thread pile up until we can distribute evenly by total gp value.  I can buy the amulet later when I can pay for it without owing y'all.  

    I don't care about Elliot's share. Buy your stuff, man. It's probably more valuable to the party in the long run if you get what you need while you have the opportunity. IMO anyway.
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    Post  Chris on Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:17 am

    I thought we had a plan.... ok, then somebody needs to do the math. all the loot gets a price tag, for full value and it gets divided evenly, along with the gold. I think that is a bit silly, but if that's what Rob really wants, go for it.

    None of us are going to be able to buy 1/2 priced magic items that will help the party, which is why I think it is silly. We have the opportunity to help the party be stronger, it just takes a little sharing and not being greedy over imaginary gold.

    just for example, that Dex +2 belt is worth 4000

    the gun is prob 4000 too.... or more
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    Post  Chris on Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:36 pm

    let's put this to a party vote.

    1) Need > Greed (whoever can best use an item gets it, regardless of exact gold value)

    2) divide everything received evenly, with gp value for all treasure counted and tallied in the loot thread.


    I vote for (1)
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    Post  Arcturus2 on Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:50 pm

    Chris wrote:let's put this to a party vote.  

    1) Need > Greed  (whoever can best use an item gets it, regardless of exact gold value)

    2) divide everything received evenly, with gp value for all treasure counted and tallied in the loot thread.


    I vote for (1)

    I vote for (1) as well.
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    Re: Loot

    Post  Robyo on Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:01 pm

    "This ain't a democracy, little man. Just give me my share. Y'all do what you want with the rest. There are many homeless children in my land I can feed with the gold."
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    Post  whit10 on Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:07 pm

    anyone who wants something (be it items that they are trying to purchase or spells that they would like to add) needs to make percentile rolls.

    Dan, I'll respond later today for your rolls. I will assume that the Colonel is just going to go along with things as Matt is off fishing or whatever for a bit.

    Just to add my $0.02.... it makes more sense to equip the party now and deal with secondary concerns later...
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    Re: Loot

    Post  Chris on Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:37 pm

    Robyo wrote:"This ain't a democracy, little man. Just give me my share. Y'all do what you want with the rest. There are many homeless children in my land I can feed with the gold."

    nothing was said in character, this is a vote for the players, not the characters.  Are you just being funny or what?

    2000 gold = 500 gold each

    belt +2 dex = 4000
    gun + fire = 4000
    scrolls =  200??
    wand = 4500

    so the players that take the belt and the gun, let's say CJC and Elliot for argument's sake, each just got 4000 in value compared to the 500 for everyone else.  so by your logic Elliot and CJC would OWE Olivia, CR3 and JT to compensate for those items.  now add in the wand (and scrolls) for Olivia 4500 - 500 = 4000 that Olivia OWES to the rest of the party in exchange for her "fair share" as you put it.  

    If Olivia takes the wand and scrolls (4500+), Elliot takes the belt (4000), CJC takes the gun (4000) then CR3 and JT should not only get 1000 each from the gold, but are still OWED 4500\2 or 2250 each in future loot.  

    Or Olivia can take the belt, CJC the gun, we can sell the wand for 1/2 2000 + 2000 = 4000\3 for JT, Elliot and CR3.  Olivia and CJC would still OWE JT, Elliot and CR3 2700 each in future loot.

    I think this is dumb and a waste of our time  drunken


    current vote:
    (1) Need > Greed = Dan, Chris
    (2) Greed = Rob


    If Olivia doesn't want to play nice and share, maybe she should just go back to her mud hut?
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    Post  Robyo on Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:07 pm

    You seem to be happy wasting time on it!

    You assume too much. All I said was to split up the gold. I don't care about diving up items equally.

    And as I've already said, anyone else can have the wand, or the scrolls for that matter. They're redundant to my character's abilities.

    That being said, Olivia is happy to take them on, and continues her responsibility as party healer.

    She'll take 500 gold for now. If there's an item or service that will benefit the party that she can contribute towards (such as the 50 gold she gave Rashid for just letting them stay there) either now or in the future, Olivia can be convinced to contribute.

    There is no need to act butthurt about it. Olivia's primary motive as an adventurer, doesn't have any bearing on whatever factions are trying to hoard the ancient secrets. Her choice in occupation is about gaining loot for personal reasons (helping the hungry and poverty-stricken children of her homeland being a part of that). You can of course, call it greed.
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    Post  whit10 on Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:13 pm

    Elliot: Engineer's Work Gloves are available.

    I'll knock the prices down to 1/3 for this time only (I sorta forgot that you don't have that much money)

    Olivia can take a run at finding a new spell in the chaos that is Rashid's House of Rare Antiquities

    I'll allow two rolls for this, you need above a 75%.

    One thing that I should have emphasized earlier and somehow forgot.... don't forget that telephones exist and are quite common in use. The Englishman told you that he would be in contact with you in a few days. (sorry, that's a retcon but it's one that I meant to include)

    There is a room at the Ramses Hotel for your use (under Colonel Corbett's name)
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    Re: Loot

    Post  Robyo on Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:53 am

    When did CR3 become CEO? I thought the party acted on consensus.

    Earlier you said this:
    navyik wrote:Cr3 already has a dex belt. Its cool if y'all wanna divy up square, maybe we let the loot thread pile up until we can distribute evenly by total gp value.  I can buy the amulet later when I can pay for it without owing y'all.  

    Which is perfectly sensible. If that's how everyone wants to do it, it's cool with me. I was only being nitpicky about the actual gold, not the items as well. Which was in response to:

    Chris wrote:I think JT and CR3 should split the 2000 to help pay for the items they scored at half price.

    Since JT and CR3 are the only ones benefiting from spending party gold, you opinion seems moot. Of course Chris would argue that everything his character gains will benefit the party. Perhaps.

    We'll let Matt weigh in. No doubt he'll side against me. Still need a consensus though. If Olivia isn't allowed to share in the gold, she'll probably just sell her magic items at the first opportunity.
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    Post  Chris on Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:24 am

    Rob, you seem to miss the obvious, so for the 3rd time, let me repeat it for you.....   we have received both gold and items (which have a gold value).  they are not separate, but some people (Olivia, CJC)  had claimed items (gold) and there was gold remaining to buy additional items for others (CR3, JT).

    Do you want the dex +2 belt and the wand and the scrolls?

    fine, that is 4000 + 4500 + whatever the scrolls are worth.  you do NOT get another 500 out of the 2000, you already have claimed almost 9000 worth of the loot.  Our total loot to date is the belt (4000), the gun (4000), the wand (4500), the scrolls (?) and 2000.  So Olivia has claimed almost 9000\13,000.   Now you are trying to claim your "fair share" of another 500.  yes, I call that GREED.  stop being so freaking greedy over imaginary items!

    Or give the belt to Elliot, which would actually be more fair and JT and CR3 can split the 2000 and would still be owed another 2000 worth of future loot, by your accounting requirements.  

    Robyo wrote: Of course Chris would argue that everything his character gains will benefit the party. Perhaps.

    everything any player gets, that they can use, benefits the whole party.

    CJC getting a gun with + fire damage = benefits us all
    dex +2 belt for Olivia or Elliot = less damage taken, benefits us all
    goggles for + perception = see more traps, take less damage, benefit us all
    amulet for CR3 = more damage done, benefits us all

    shit man, you seriously take the fun out playing, having to argue basic loot distribution with you
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    Post  Arcturus2 on Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:10 pm

    Arcturus2 wrote:
    Chris wrote:

    I think JT and CR3 should split the 2000 to help pay for the items they scored at half price.

    CJC got the rifle
    I am not sure who ended up with the belt, either Elliot or Olivia
    I don't know if anyone can even use the wand?

    Elliot called off any claim to the belt, unless nobody else wants to take it. Of course it's useful but his Dex is already +4 so it's possibly more useful to someone else..

    And Olivia has UMD as a feat so the wand is valuable, we should definitely give it to her.

    So by my count, Olivia gets the wand (and a couple scrolls, and the chance to peruse Rashid's library for possible NEW spells), CJC gets the flaming Enfield, JT and CRIII are using the cash from Norris to load up on gear? Is that about right?
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    Post  Arcturus2 on Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:10 pm

    Robyo wrote:You seem to be happy wasting time on it!

    You assume too much. All I said was to split up the gold. I don't care about diving up items equally.

    And as I've already said, anyone else can have the wand, or the scrolls for that matter. They're redundant to my character's abilities.

    That being said, Olivia is happy to take them on, and continues her responsibility as party healer.

    She'll take 500 gold for now. If there's an item or service that will benefit the party that she can contribute towards (such as the 50 gold she gave Rashid for just letting them stay there) either now or in the future, Olivia can be convinced to contribute.

    There is no need to act butthurt about it. Olivia's primary motive as an adventurer, doesn't have any bearing on whatever factions are trying to hoard the ancient secrets. Her choice in occupation is about gaining loot for personal reasons (helping the hungry and poverty-stricken children of her homeland being a part of that). You can of course, call it greed.

    It sounds like to me, Olivia doesn't really want the scrolls and wand, so doesn't want to miss out on what she does want (gold) because she's forced to take them..

    Rob, is that an accurate appraisal?

    If that's the case, let's not force her. We can hang onto them, and Elliot (or someone else) can put a couple skill ranks into UMD, OR we can leave them in the loot thread and sell them later.

    No problem.

    I think we all agree CJC should get the flaming Enfield. Elliot already has a shocking rifle.

    CRIII doesn't need/want the belt because he has one.

    JT doesn't seem interested in it really,  although for a rogue/ranger it probably has some use. I think he'd rather get some new adventuring gear while it's available on the cheap.

    Elliot wants it, since it would make his attacks that much more deadly, but as a character he isn't very assertive, so he's happy to take whatever share the party decides on. If Olivia wants the belt AND her share of gold, it's cool with me/Elliot. He'd LIKE to buy the Engineer's work gloves (+5 to disable, repair, craft, etc.. all things he's good at anyway) but it's not like it's a NEED. It's a moot point anyway, since even at 1/3 price they're 1000 bucks, so he can't afford them.

    Oh, and incedentally, not to further obfuscate the issue, but a 5 way split on Norris' cash is actually 400 each. Not that I or Elliot cares. Just saying.

    Tossing his gold share to whoever needs it for Rashid's shop doesn't bother him.

    I'm happy to retcon my last skill ranks so Elliot can use a wand or scrolls and take that stuff and NOT claim any gold or other loot, if that helps end this argument. OR, I'm happy to take the belt and nothing else. Or really, I'm happy with nothing at all. It's all good with Elliot.

    Thoughts?
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    Post  Robyo on Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:33 pm

    EDIT: It's cool. Would rather not be fighting or trying to get the last word in.

    ~Elliot should take the Dex belt. He wants it and can use it. It is a good asset to his character. Olivia had inquired about it, but doesn't need it at this junction.

    ~Olivia will take the scrolls, since she asked about them.

    *Josh, I will roll for spell research when I've completed Olivia's level-up bump. Probably sometime tomorrow.

    ~Olivia will take the Wand of Darkvision, unless anyone else wants it. Since she's getting the wand, she will fore go any cut of the gold.
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    Post  Arcturus2 on Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:29 pm

    All right, sounds fair. Elliot appreciates it.

    Chances are solid Olivia gains at least 1 new spell from Rashid as well. Gotta love freebies. Cool

    CJC gets the Enfield, so the way I look at it, CRIII & JT should split the cash. Sound equitable, everyone?

    ...Or, if CJC wants some cash, do a 3 way split. I think he's got a bit in the bank already though.

    At least Olivia and Elliot are sorted out.
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    Post  whit10 on Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:27 pm

    I'm happy that you all came to an amiable conclusion with this... I didn't want to turn Rashid into a dragon as punishment Wink

    Rob, all good, just post the rolls.

    Since Matt is back on as well, Matt, if there are three items that you can narrow down to... give me 3 percentile rolls to see if any are available. There is a gp cap of 8000
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    Post  MAS on Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:44 pm

    whit10 wrote:I'm happy that you all came to an amiable conclusion with this... I didn't want to turn Rashid into a dragon as punishment Wink

    Rob, all good, just post the rolls.

    Since Matt is back on as well,  Matt, if there are three items that you can narrow down to... give me 3 percentile rolls to see if any are available.  There is a gp cap of 8000

    CJC just wants the rifle, and his cut of the cash.
    Does that require a roll?
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    Post  Arcturus2 on Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:11 pm

    MAS wrote:
    whit10 wrote:I'm happy that you all came to an amiable conclusion with this... I didn't want to turn Rashid into a dragon as punishment Wink

    Rob, all good, just post the rolls.

    Since Matt is back on as well,  Matt, if there are three items that you can narrow down to... give me 3 percentile rolls to see if any are available.  There is a gp cap of 8000

    CJC just wants the rifle, and his cut of the cash.
    Does that require a roll?

    Nope. I think we all agreed CJC should get the rifle, if you want a cut of the cash, it's between you, JT & CRIII to figure out a split.

    The past day or two, we've been a bit tangled up with sorting loot- some of the items we've picked up (rifle, belt, wand, scrolls) have significant cash value, so we've been hammering out a fair split of cash/loot.

    Olivia has agreed to take the scrolls and wand (about 9000-9500gp total value) and no cash, and Elliot is taking the Dex belt (4000gp) and no cash.

    CRIII and JT aren't taking any items, so they get cash.

    You get the rifle (4075gp), and whatever split of cash you, JT and CRIII work out.

    As for the roll-

    Josh has said you can make a wish list of 3 Magic Items, (max value 8000gp), and make a % roll for each one. If you roll above a 75%, Rashid has it for sale at half price.

    That's the roll he's asking for.

    Is that all clear as mud? Lol
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    Post  Chris on Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:29 pm

    I nominate Elliot to manage the loot thread and party accounting in the future cheers

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    Post  Arcturus2 on Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:47 pm

    Chris wrote:I nominate Elliot to manage the loot thread and party accounting in the future cheers

    JT curls up a nice soft rug and goes to sleep, feeling exhausted by the day's events

    Lol, he's happy to track the loot, so long as that doesn't come with any actual authority.

    When JT goes to sleep, Elliot takes the time to jot down some shorthand notes of what the party has learned so far. (See journal thread if interested in timeline and clues) Then he'll say his prayers and go to sleep as well.
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    Post  MAS on Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:26 pm

    Thanks for the clarification Chris!

    I dig it, hope to have that done and CJC updated tomorrow AM.
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    Re: Loot

    Post  whit10 on Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:13 am


    Holy, Undead Bane Stake, - exotic weapon, does 1d6 normal damage (x3 crit mod).
    2 cure serious wounds potions
    1 scroll w/ summon mon. 2, 1 Shield, 1 Acid Arrow
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    Post  Robyo on Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:44 am

    " the Thompson that was left behind was magical, as was it's ammunition. I think this one is on me... consider it a gift that I just tell you it's +1 (the gun) and ammo is Flaming (1d6)-two full drums (since he didn't fire a shot)..."
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    Post  whit10 on Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:33 am

    1 Onyx Dog (Figurine of Wondrous Power)
    1 Wand of Lightning Bolt - 25 charges
    1 Minor Rod of Empower Spell
    1 Scroll with 4 Arcane Spells on it (Dispel Magic, Haste, Dimension Door, Dominate Person)
    +1 Buckler Shield (mithril)
    Type 2 Bag of Holding
    +2 Shocking Burst Heavy Mace

    250,000 at least in gold and jewels. Probably the same in items and mundane artifacts (this is sort of a lump sum number, it is unlikely that you could actually keep all these items, but you would get some reward for them instead... that does not, however, refer to magic items)
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    Post  navyik on Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:43 am

    "I say, Colonel, now there's a handy bit of luggage," (bag of holding). "Wouldn't mind having one like it, not atall..."

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