Robyo wrote:You said I could legally make the move to behind the tree. Still not sure what happened to the surprise round, where I would have moved up there already; either behind the fallen tree, or closer yet, behind the bush, but that's what Sharn aims to do now.
It sounds like only T'son and Rakhu got surprise? Apparently my initial stealth check wasn't even warranted. I had already been in stealth mode from climbing up the trail and encountered the droid. Apparently, this is a whole new encounter, so that's fine. I make another check and spend a force point. He saw me, but I still didn't get my move. And now I guess he saw me anyways, which is a wasted point.
I have partial cover +2 behind the bush. Does that stack with the other bushes and foliage? Depending on how he sees me, then I could have additional cover. Of course he would need to move around to see me better.
But okay, he has a "bead" on me, that's fine. There's really no point in sneaking up to the fallen tree if I know he's watching me. I could make a charge or whatever. You said the tree is full cover if Sharn went prone? That's what he did.
So it just amounts to having a standard action left? It's not like the Trando gets an AoO, or something while I move over there? In that case I run briskly, not worrying about stealth.
If I have a standard action left, can I do something like "be defensive" and gain +2 to defense and saves?
Otherwise, I'll use the Force.
Hehehe, now you know our frustration as players in
WWW. I apologize if my map and description were not clear enough and I did try to give everyone time to ask questions or say if something wasn't correct.
Surprise - as I have always known it to be played, and as it is written on pg 151 of the SW Core Book, reads that you are surprised if you don't know about your enemy or they are surprised if they don't know about you.
Please re-read the battle map setup thread with this in mind.
Chris wrote:results of the setup phase:
Sharn - buffed before combat started with EA
stealth 18
init 12
Daxx
stealth 24
init 21
Rakhu
stealth 25
init 19
Tson
stealth 21
init 23
heroes move into position using stealth
Soren's Mercenaries are on duty to guard this bunker. they are very well paid and highly trained. However - they were not alerted by the Probe Droid, so they all get a -5 to their spot checks, -10 to the guy working on the droid and -10 to the guys way up the hill, unless they had some special equipment.
Spot checks all around for the mercs were mixed, I rolled them in groups based on their class\designation and range, so some did better than others.
The Heroes sneak up into their above positions and get ready to initiate combat, but the Garindan and the Trandoshan by the speeder bike alert to someone coming up the left flank and also notice movement in the middle. They are not surprised, nor do they appear to have been caught flat footed.
The guy fixing the droids seems oblivious.... and continues his work while humming a happy little tune
The lone guy on top of the rock also alerts to movement on the left and middle, but the two by the gates don't seem to react.
SURPRISE ACTIONS:
Daxx gets 1 standard action
Rakhu gets 1 standard action
I asked everyone for a stealth check for this encounter, to determine who would be surprised and who wasn't. The Probe Droid fight was several minutes earlier and a whole different combat. The stealth check when you spent the Force point WAS for the this initial startup map deployment.
I gave all the Mercs spot checks, modified by their proximity and level of distraction or alertness. Sharn and T'son were spotted, as noted in the text. Therefore the enemy was aware of Sharn and T'son, so you did not get a surprise action. Only Rakhu and Daxx had stealth checks that beat the Merc's Spot rolls. I said these guys are highly trainied, meaning not scrubs, and I have revealed some of them to be Scouts and Sharpshooters (high spot checks).
This is Sharn's first action, which is why he is still in his initial setup position.
I wasn't presuming to know why you used stealth or not, that is up to you. I was just giving you the possibilities based on what you stated you wanted to do.
I enlarged the map so you could see the hexes. Yes, Sharn can make it to the tree, which would take a double move - count the hexes. Or he could move at half speed in the stealth to the next closest bush. Or Sharn could stealth to the tree at a -5 penalty.
hopefully that is clear now, here is the updated map with Sharn's new position, dropping prone behind the fallen tree for full cover.