huh?

Flyby touch attacks..

navyik wrote:Flyby touch attacks..

hell no!  I ain't getting that close to anything.  I have a grand total of ZERO touch attack spells, for good reason.  

Cones, balls, rays or direct target from range   santa bomber

On a side note, (since this thread seems to be for whatever), whenever I GM on the forum again, I think WW will be the campaign I will run. Anyone who made characters for PP are welcome to transfer them over to WW.

Robyo wrote:On a side note, (since this thread seems to be for whatever), whenever I GM on the forum again, I think WW will be the campaign I will run. Anyone who made characters for PP are welcome to transfer them over to WW.

My first thought was that I didn't think my goliath barbarian would transfer to WW. But then I started thing that he could be world famous pugilist....

Cool man... I'm going to go with that Shifter I made.

Is jacque-pierre still incorporial?

MAS wrote:My first thought was that I didn't think my goliath barbarian would transfer to WW. But then I started thing that he could be world famous pugilist....

Well, Goliaths are allowed as a native race of Aerth (along with Pygmys, Halflings, Asimar, Atlans, and Humans), so he could technically still be a Goliath Indian or whatever. Or he could be from another world, via the rifts/portals, whatever you want. It really just depends on what you want his background to be.

whit10 wrote:Cool man... I'm going to go with that Shifter I made.

I didn't see where that was posted. What race is he?



Alan, I answered your question in Radiance Roundup thread.



*In fact, please let's move all further discussion concerning WW to it's own topic and threads. No need to congest further the PF thread...

Rasso backstory posted in his character thread

character build is at about 90%

I still need Mythic stuff and any last minute tweaking of gear

ok party members....   I am down to a couple choices for my mythic spell, but I am leaning towards this one for overall usefullness and party support

in addition to the normal benefits of Haste +1 reflex, +1 AC, +1 attack rolls, +1 attack when using Full Attack

Mythic Haste:

Affected creatures gain an additional move action each round. The movement speed increase changes to 50 feet, to a maximum of three times the creature's normal speed for that movement type.

This is like a free Heroic Surge (from SW) each round!

So the extra move action would allow everyone to move (at speed 80) AND take a full attack action (with 1 extra attack)

To me that just seems more beneficial than a bigger fireball or something.

Thoughts?

That sounds pretty great for a party buff! Ignis normal speed is 60'. What would it become with mythic haste?

Robyo wrote:That sounds pretty great for a party buff! Ignis normal speed is 60'. What would it become with mythic haste?

60 + 50 = 110   

plus the bonuses and extra actions

sounds awesome but where does it say you can move you full speed and make a full attack with Haste? Is that part of the Mythic version of the spell?

What about something like Mythic Disintegrate? More damage and more Con damage...

The thing about Mythic Haste is, how much movement do you really need in one or two moves? I noticed this when playing in Charleston, it's all great and everything to have a ton of movement speed, unless you move into melee combat range way ahead of the party, in which case you get pounded on by yourself. It also becomes almost too much after a while. Most maps are about 100' wide or long unless everything takes place outside nearly all the time. The extra speed is useful, but not as frequently as you might think.

.... my two pence.

whit10 wrote:sounds awesome but where does it say you can move you full speed and make a full attack with Haste?  Is that part of the Mythic version of the spell?

re-read what I posted, I never said move "full speed" and make a full attack.  You get an EXTRA move action, so you can move once and make a full round attack.

I agree about the "too much speed" idea, but the 80' per round is the speed of a single move action.  so you can move 80 AND make a full attack.

regardless of the feet per move increase, I just thought the extra move action for everyone each turn would be more helpful than a bigger fireball\disintegrate\cone of cold, etc.

That seems a bit weird, it's pretty specific that you can't move more than a 5' step and still make a full attack.

On the other hand, Mounted Skirmisher allows you to make a full attack as long as your mount only moves it's normal speed on a move. Nice catch dude!

whit10 wrote:That seems a bit weird, it's pretty specific that you can't move more than a 5' step and still make a full attack.

On the other hand, Mounted Skirmisher allows you to make a full attack as long as your mount only moves it's normal speed on a move.  Nice catch dude!

I re-read the Combat Rules section you referenced. I understand where you are coming from, but I think it was written specifically to cover the normal circumstance (99% of the time) that a character only gets 1 move + 1 standard action per turn.

ie - You use both to make a full round attack, so all you have left is the 5ft step.

Mythic Haste specifically gives you an extra move action. The original wording of Full Attack Action was probably written long before they made Mythic Haste. I see your point, technically, but I think the intention of Mythic Haste is pretty clear - you get an extra move action each turn, in addition to your normal move + standard. Like I said in the first post, it is kind of like Heroic Surge from SW or using a Hero Point (also a later rule).

Would you also argue that using:

Extra Action: You can spend a hero point on your turn to gain an additional standard or move action this turn.

would mean that you couldn't take a full attack and use a Hero Point to move?

No, you can use a hero point to move. It's fine, the Mythic aspect is what allows the movement. It's all good

Sounds great. Kinda like the pounce ability.

i bought a full wand of Cure Serious wounds, which I can use for the party. I also have a couple cleric scrolls (remove curse, remove disease), but I am broke now

if anyone has any extra $$, a couple scrolls of HEAL, maybe Raise Dead or Breath of Life would be a nice safety net for us.

yeah, down to 50 gp myself.

Chirs2 wrote:i bought a full wand of Cure Serious wounds, which I can use for the party.  I also have a couple cleric scrolls (remove curse, remove disease), but I am broke now

if anyone has any extra $$, a couple scrolls of HEAL, maybe Raise Dead or Breath of Life would be a nice safety net for us.

Garth has 6,565 surplus gp. Just post a list with costs and I'll edit it in to his inventory. He can hand it off in game.

Arcturus wrote:

Chirs2 wrote:i bought a full wand of Cure Serious wounds, which I can use for the party.  I also have a couple cleric scrolls (remove curse, remove disease), but I am broke now

if anyone has any extra $$, a couple scrolls of HEAL, maybe Raise Dead or Breath of Life would be a nice safety net for us.

Garth has 6,565 surplus gp. Just post a list with costs and I'll edit it in to his inventory. He can hand it off in game.

some scroll options

HEAL (heals 110 hp and basically all nasty conditions, except lvl drain) - 6th lvl cleric = 1650gp

Raise dead (inflicts -2 lvl drain) = 1,125

Restoration (removes 1 lvl drain) = 700 ** 2 4th lvl Restorations are cheaper than 1 big one (2,275)

something like that would be a good start

Hey guys - I had cleared my plate to have all day to get the EPIC up and running, but have succumbed to the flu-bug that Nicole was home with most of last week. Having trouble staying awake for more 20-30 minutes. Hoping to be on task again tomorrowish.

Sounds like there is still some tweaking going on anyway, so hopefully, this will time out ok.

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some scroll options

HEAL (heals 110 hp and basically all nasty conditions, except lvl drain) - 6th lvl cleric = 1650gp

Raise dead (inflicts -2 lvl drain) = 1,125

Restoration (removes 1 lvl drain) = 700  **  2 4th lvl Restorations are cheaper than 1 big one  (2,275)

something like that would be a good start[/quote]

Got it. Will do.

By the way, I started working on a backup idea for if/when matt kills garth.

It's incomplete, as well as a bit jumbled because I copied and pasted direct from Microsoft word, but feedback/suggestions/help is appreciated.

MAS wrote:Hey guys - I had cleared my plate to have all day to get the EPIC up and running, but have succumbed to the flu-bug that Nicole was home with most of last week. Having trouble staying awake for more 20-30 minutes. Hoping to be on task again tomorrowish.

Sounds like there is still some tweaking going on anyway, so hopefully, this will time out ok.

  GM took another look at our characters and got SKKKKAAAIIIRRDDD!

yup... don't fuck with a Steel Angel!   

All right, Garth's inventory is rounded out with:

2x Breath of life scroll (5d8+9)
2× Restoration scroll (4th lvl cleric)
2× Heal scroll (110 hp + cleanse conditions)

Each is in a wooden scroll case.

Whoever wants them in game can carry them.

Maybe we should divide them up?  Might be safer to distribute that value so it can't all be lost at once..

Down to 65 gp, so ready to go.

Arcturus wrote:
2x Breath of life scroll (5d8+5)
2× Restoration scroll (4th lvl cleric)
2× Heal scroll (50 hp ea)

Nice!

FYI - The scrolls are Caster level, not level of the spell, so BoL (5th) is 5d8 + 9 and Heal (6th) is 110hp + all conditions (condi cleansing is a really important feature)

A 5th level spell requires a 9th lvl Cleric to cast it. Heal is a 6th lvl spell, so requires an 11th lvl caster

Chirs2 wrote:

Arcturus wrote:
2x Breath of life scroll (5d8+5)
2× Restoration scroll (4th lvl cleric)
2× Heal scroll (50 hp ea)

Nice!

FYI - The scrolls are Caster level, not level of the spell, so BoL (5th) is 5d8 + 9 and Heal (6th) is 110hp + all conditions (condi cleansing is a really important feature)

A 5th level spell requires a 9th lvl Cleric to cast it.  Heal is a 6th lvl spell, so requires an 11th lvl caster

All right, got it. So powers have to be adjusted. Used the table in APG I think it was to determine cost. So after power adjustments, are these legal/usable?

Arcturus wrote:
All right, got it. So powers have to be adjusted. Used the table in APG I think it was to determine cost. So after power adjustments,  are these legal/usable?

hmmm.... I am not sure what you are looking at in the APG, just reference the CR Magic items > scrolls. it shows a pretty clear chart with Spell Level - Caster level. The caster level of a scroll is always the minimum lvl needed to cast the spell. A table right below it shows prices for the different types of casters.

All right, I double checked the cost table, but the caster level thing confuses me.

Is that information I require? Does caster level impact the ability of a magic user to read a scroll, or is it just important for the creation of said scroll?

I've never been good with magic.   That's why I play a fighter.

Spell level = the level (power) of the spell

If you look under Classes, at a wizard\cleric, you will see that every 2 levels, a caster gains access to new spells. so 1st lvl wizard can cast 1st lvl spells, but that same wizard doesn't gain access to 2nd lvl spells until he reaches 3rd lvl as a wizard. So his "caster level" is 3rd, the lvl of the spell is 2nd.

So for a Heal scroll.... Heal is a 6th lvl spell, which requires an 11th lvl caster (cleric in this case) to cast it. A scroll is always considered to be created by the minimum caster level needed to cast the spell to determine variable effects. 11th caster x 10hp\lvl = 110 hp from a scroll.

A 15th lvl cleric who cast the spell would Heal for 150hp

you don't really "need" the info, but whoever casts it needs to know it and how to deal with the scroll.

 Pretty sure I get it.Same as access to spells for the classes.
Thanks for the explanation.

you're just buying them for others to cast, right?

whit10 wrote:you're just buying them for others to cast, right?

Yup. That's the idea. Should be fairly easy to write an explanation of where Garth got them into the story.

cool.

My pally can cast the restoration spell... zippo on the others (but I'm pretty sure Chris has it covered)

It was his shopping list, so probably. Ready to get this thing started man.

is anyone else having problems posting images now?

I can see the URL in the text box, but no image appears. I can still see my recent "monkey business" images, but even looking back at all the older SW threads, my text is there, but all the images are not visible. again, URLs are visible in the 'edit' mode of the text box.

Can someone look at some SW posts and see if they can see any images posted by me. In the Epilogue for instance, I can see Rob's 2 wookie images, but no other images.

.... wonky forums

I see images.

crazy.... it now appears to be working, I tried posting these yesterday from work and at home last night, saw nothing

my WW gunslinger, Boba Fett of the West!

Boba, meet Sarlac Pit  


But yeah, futher WW discussion can go in that section. Sounds like Dan is on board to make a Rakasha Monk.

hey all, I got a question and I am hoping someone knows the answer..... this is for a possible alt build, in case Rasso doesn't make it

I remember in 3.x there were certain abilities, like the Knight\Cavalier\Marshall had to compel any enemy to attack you. I think it was part of their "challenge" ability, but that aspect seems to have been dropped in PF.

I am looking at a Dwarven Stonelord (Paladin\Stalwart Defender) - basically a super-tough tank, but I need a way to compel enemies to attack him and not the rest of the party. He is light on offense, but should be able to "tank" (in MMO terms) and survive multiple rounds of heavy abuse.

anybody know a way (short of an arcane compulsion) to compel or encourage enemies to attack yourself?

I don't know about compulsion but Cavalier (APG) and Samurai both have Challenge as their core class power. There are some minor ways to making them fight you I believe

Chirs2 wrote:hey all, I got a question and I am hoping someone knows the answer.....  this is for a possible alt build, in case Rasso doesn't make it

I remember in 3.x there were certain abilities, like the Knight\Cavalier\Marshall had to compel any enemy to attack you.  I think it was part of their "challenge" ability, but that aspect seems to have been dropped in PF.

I am looking at a Dwarven Stonelord (Paladin\Stalwart Defender) - basically a super-tough tank, but I need a way to compel enemies to attack him and not the rest of the party.  He is light on offense, but should be able to "tank" (in MMO terms) and survive multiple rounds of heavy abuse.

anybody know a way (short of an arcane compulsion) to compel or encourage enemies to attack yourself?

Not certain off hand.

Have you looked through all of the class variants?

Maybe a spell or item would do it?

I think i found some similar stuff while working on a pally...

I looked at Cavalier and Samuri, they have challenge, but as I said, no longer have compulsion as part of it

I haven't looked through every variant of every race of every class - that is why I was asking

what did you find Alan?

Ult. Combat 1st lev pally spell compel hostility. Also sacred shield class archetype has something but not really the same...

compel hostility is the right idea, but it only works when I am already next to them

there should just be a general "Taunt" ability....

"hey! you big stinking hill giant. your mother was an ogre and your daddy eats his boogers. I could kick your ass with both hands tied behind me back!"

use of Bluff or Intimidate or something

That might have been done away with as just broken? Does kind of seem that way