Smoke and Thunder Gaming

Login or Register
Smoke and Thunder Gaming

Gaming Room

Dice - http://dicelog.com

D20 SRD - http://www.d20srd.org/index.htm

Pathfinder SRD - http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/

Modern SRD - http://www.d20moderndb.com/game-rules/d20-modern-srd

Pando - http://www.pando.com/

Dropbox - http://www.dropbox.com/

Open Office - http://www.openoffice.org/


    collaborative world building concept

    Share
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:54 pm

    basics about the economy of Meta City:

    Memphis (Josh's Egyptian style fantasy ward) - is home to many races of beast-folk as described on his page.  Memphis is on the Road to the plane of Fire (not earth as previously pictured).  Memphis is also the only known location of what they call Ra stones, after their god.  Ra stones are a universal power source that works on all planes.  Ra stones are the primary source of income and geopolitical power for Memphis in Meta City.

    Capadocia (home of the Chromites) - is a vast underground city.  The Chromites have many side tunnels that honeycomb their plane.  They provide valuable raw materials for Meta City, especially those with "magical" or unique properties like Mithral, and Adamantium.   Much of Meta City has been built with these materials.

    Rata Sum (home of Asurans) - is a floating city connected to the plane of Air.  The Asurans are master engineers, though they rely on magic over science.  Unconstrained by the rules of physics or logic, they are able to invent wondrous devices.  Their creations are as much art as science.  As such, their production ability is limited.  Asurans are often employed as designers and engineers for other wards.  They do produce finished products but on a small scale.

    ? high tech ward (home of humans) - is a futuristic city in the mold of Blade Runner and Cyberpunk.  The power of the humans is in their manufacturing and diplomacy.  The humans can use their technology and robots to mass produce the designs of the Asurans, using Chromite materials and powered by Ra stones.  Humans have an uncanny knack for getting along with all the races and are often used as mediators and negotiators.
    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:28 am

    You are allowing all 5e materials, right? AiME books too? They've got some nice legendary weapons that could be reskinned.

    Xanathar's Guide will have the new SubClasses, and Racial Feats too.
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:41 am

    Robyo wrote:You are allowing all 5e materials, right? AiME books too? They've got some nice legendary weapons that could be reskinned.

    Xanathar's Guide will have the new SubClasses, and Racial Feats too.

    what are AiME books? if they are on Matt's google drive and you point out what you want me to look at, it's probably fine

    sure, we'll see what Xanathar's guide has to offer if its out when we play
    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:48 pm

    Adventures in Middle Earth
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:24 am

    Robyo wrote:Adventures in Middle Earth

    if it is 5e it's probably fine as they seem to do a really good job of balancing everything, particularly the classes (not as sure on some of the new races, lol)

    as usual, just run it by me and we'll go from there
    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:47 pm

    Picked up Xanathar's today! Looking forward to making my guy this weekend.

    What level did you say? For starting gold, I take it we are using the advanced level starting wealth table in the DMG?
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:55 pm

    Robyo wrote:Picked up Xanathar's today! Looking forward to making my guy this weekend.

    What level did you say? For starting gold, I take it we are using the advanced level starting wealth table in the DMG?

    sweet!

    I hadn't decided yet, honestly lol!

    the 2 ideas I was kicking around in my head were about 5th or 1st but fast-track the xp up to 5th so players can adapt their characters as they explore the world.  partially, it would depend on which path the player group decides to follow:  marshals, shadow runners, criminals or explorers.  how many players there are in the group, etc etc


    So far, I count for sure Josh, Rob and Alan.  Joe expressed interest early on but has been quiet.  Mike and Matt haven't expressed interest so I am assuming they are out for now (though always welcome to change their minds)
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:08 pm

    updated (not final) map of Meta City and the Road\planes

    Meta City



    NW - Capadocia, home of the Chromites, underground city.  Walking city coming down the road!  on the Road to  earth plane

    NE - tech city, adjacent to underwater city of the Cephalopods, elemental water Road

    SE - Floating city, adjacent to Sky Maze, Road to Air

    SW - Memphis, Road to Fire


    map of the planes and Road

    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:53 pm

    Chris wrote:
    Robyo wrote:What level did you say? For starting gold, I take it we are using the advanced level starting wealth table in the DMG?
    I hadn't decided yet, honestly lol!

    the 2 ideas I was kicking around in my head were about 5th or 1st but fast-track the xp up to 5th so players can adapt their characters as they explore the world.  partially, it would depend on which path the player group decides to follow:  marshals, shadow runners, criminals or explorers.  how many players there are in the group, etc etc

    Um, okay. Guess I'll wait on char gen until you decide the level.

    My guy is definitely a shadowrunner type (human-cyborg)...
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:39 pm

    @Rob - as a more experienced 5e'er, do you have a recommendation for starting level and\or xp progression?

    style of play, ie shadow runner, explorer, etc is going to have to be a group decision. I wanted to offer the dedicated path of LE or criminal in case folks were interested in a more focused story, but freelance is cool with me too!
    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:19 pm

    Levels 1-2 is rather deadly. Most PCs are glass canons. 3rd is nice, cause that's when subclasses kick in. Characters are fairly durable by then.

    Attribute bonuses or extra feat option kicks in every 4 levels, I think.

    I ran a fairly high powered campaign levels 10-17. Sometimes I found it difficult to challenge the PCs. The CR system isn't all that reliable. There's not a lot of high level beasties in the Monster Manual either. There's some other sources. And converting from PF or whatever isn't that hard.

    Would appreciate to hear how Matt weighs in on that too.

    EDIT: Looks like there's a new CR-factoring system in Xanathar's. Interesting.
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:44 am

    thanks, Rob! that kind of tracked what I was thinking too.

    Can you add Xanathar to Matt's google drive in pdf?
    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:10 pm

    Sorry, I only have dead tree version. WotC doesn't release any of their rulebooks in PDF. You'll have to find some pirates, ARRR!

    *Which is a great point of argument. In the end Wizards wants to make money. They do provide the Basic rules and a SRD for free. But the SRD still isn't the full PHB.

    Which is why Paizo is so cool in that they put all their crunch online for free.
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:09 pm

    Definitely check out Unearthed Arcana!

    technomages, "ghost in the shell" warlocks, modern spells like "arcane hacking" "find vehicle" etc

    new archetypes, kits and options for several classes and psionics - basically, this gives the crunchiness 5e lacks, if you feel the need to go that route Wink

    the techno spells would definitely fit for adapting a City cleric or mage to a modern setting


    Players Companion also has several new races and spells
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:11 pm

    Question for any 5e Gamemasters:


    I see the DMG table for starting wealth at higher levels
    I see the lists of magic items

    I don't see anywhere that gives a monetary value to magic items. Does that still exist?

    I guess I could do the 500gp + 1d10 x25 and then give everyone X, Y, Z rolls on some of the tables
    avatar
    MAS
    Admin

    Posts : 2532
    Join date : 2011-09-12

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  MAS on Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:39 pm

    5e is built so that magic items are "superfluous" to the mechanics. A +1 is a significant advantage. The maxed out +3 is a super big deal. There is no list of prices. Go to pg 135 of the DMG and read the RAW before you distribute magic items, especially the part about "attunement". It may change your views on magic items in this system. I'm guessing it will. This is also a very useful link to check out.
    http://www.tribality.com/2015/11/02/dd-5e-magic-item-guide/

    This is a great breakdown of items, by rarity and need for attunement:
    https://donjon.bin.sh/5e/magic_items/

    I know I have not spoken up yet - I am interested in this campaign! Things are just very intense here right now. Not much focus to spare.
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:06 am

    MAS wrote:5e is built so that magic items are "superfluous" to the mechanics. A +1 is a significant advantage. The maxed out +3 is a super big deal. There is no list of prices. Go to pg 135 of the DMG and read the RAW before you distribute magic items, especially the part about "attunement". It may change your views on magic items in this system. I'm guessing it will. This is also a very useful link to check out.
    http://www.tribality.com/2015/11/02/dd-5e-magic-item-guide/

    This is a great breakdown of items, by rarity and need for attunement:
    https://donjon.bin.sh/5e/magic_items/

    I know I have not spoken up yet - I am interested in this campaign! Things are just very intense here right now. Not much focus to spare.

    THANK YOU!

    that really helps a lot.  I had keened into the power variable in 5e.  That is also reflected in the +2 prof bonus scaling so slowing and monster AC being so low compared to PF\3.x

    Attunement max of 3 items does simplify the situation, though many items don't require it like all basic +1-+3 weapons\armor\shields.  

    I do understand the intention of restricting them in typical fantasy 5e.

    However, this is a very different genre and I take guidance from Plane shift Kaladesh pg 10 as well.  In that world, aether-powered devices (which use magic item stats) are very common.  They are regularly bought and sold. That book also talks about using stats from monsters for gyrocopters and robots.  It just falls short of using the term we coined "re-skinning" but it describes it in every other way.

    I will use the attunement rules, as a matter of balance, but re-skinned magic items are definitely more common across the planes of the multiverse, even if they aren't considered "magic" on their native plane.

    I am happy that you are interested in playing!  You always make such... interesting contributions Cool
    avatar
    MAS
    Admin

    Posts : 2532
    Join date : 2011-09-12

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  MAS on Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:13 am

    Happy to be of help.

    That is a polite way of saying I do crazy shit, thank you! Lol!

    My original idea was an incorpreal race...maybe they are sentient programs/AI, maybe ghosts, maybe a civilization that was the victim of a spell/technology gone wrong. But I'm not seeing rules in 5e to support that. Could probably pull it off in PF.
    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:30 pm

    Looks like Josh and Alan made characters in the 5 to 8 level range. That's a place to start I guess.

    Looking over Xanathar's, there's some great gish options. Or I might go with fighter again.
    avatar
    navyik

    Posts : 2883
    Join date : 2012-03-22

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    45/45  (45/45)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  navyik on Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:02 pm

    I will vie for 8th level as we rarely get to advance much in the forum campaigns. 5th level is great if you don't multiclass...
    avatar
    Josef909

    Posts : 118
    Join date : 2017-09-22

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Josef909 on Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:54 am

    Holy cow, you've done some strong work in here. Makes me realize I'm less imaginative than I used to be. Gotta practice I suppose.

    Still trying to figure out what I want to do in this world. For what it's worth, I'm okay playing along with the group on alignment etc.
    avatar
    navyik

    Posts : 2883
    Join date : 2012-03-22

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    45/45  (45/45)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  navyik on Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:41 am

    I almost remade sir Perindor, but... Nah...
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:03 pm

    go for 8th level cheers
    standard 27 pt buy
    NB: ability or feats at 4,6,8

    for magic items I am leaning towards:

    1 rare
    2 uncommon
    as many common as you can afford with starting gold for lvl 8

    500gp + 1d10 x25 (525-750gp)

    mind the attunement rules study


    and remember that magic items don't have to be "magic items".  they can be reskinned from other planes:  a high tech device, an aether-powered wondrous invention, etc

    player's choice, not a roll, on the rare and uncommon. I may change it, but I am thinking that they should be character-defining items.

    The price for each item: a short (3-4 sentences or more if you want) story about how your character acquired the item. for example: what plane were you on when you found it? did you beat an enemy to win it? why is it special to you? etc

    study the GM is fishing for story hooks study
    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:32 pm

    Sounds good! study

    FYI: If we have starting gold, then we wouldn't normally also gain starting equipment from Background and Class.
    avatar
    navyik

    Posts : 2883
    Join date : 2012-03-22

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    45/45  (45/45)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  navyik on Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:52 pm

    Robyo wrote:Sounds good! study

    FYI: If we have starting gold, then we wouldn't normally also gain starting equipment from Background and Class.  

    Snitches get stitches, Rob...
    avatar
    whit10

    Posts : 3896
    Join date : 2012-03-27

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    19/19  (19/19)
    Action Points:
    1/0  (1/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  whit10 on Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:12 pm

    ..and end up in ditches
    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:07 pm

    Haha, it's up to DM/Chris, really. The 500+ GP could just be treasure found while adventuring (post 1st level).

    Also,
    "go for 8th level cheers
    standard 27 pt buy
    NB: ability or feats at 4,6,8"

    Feats/ABSI come later for multiclass characters. Each class has it's own level track.

    *I don't recall a DM ruling regarding alien tech... So can we buy it? Personally, I think it unbalances the math too much (unless everyone gets a free laser gun LOL). But I am fine with reskinning crossbows/longbows as guns.
    avatar
    navyik

    Posts : 2883
    Join date : 2012-03-22

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    45/45  (45/45)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  navyik on Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:00 am

    What does "NB" mean? I'm not up on the hip new texting lingo you kids are using these days...
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:39 pm

    I like Rob's thoughts:  

    starting class\background equipment + 500gp for what you've earned post 1st + magic items as listed

    no alien tech, as a balance issue.  re-skin bows\crossbows or anything from PHB

    NB = nota bene from Latin "note well" or pay special attention
    it's old, not new


    that's just dumb about Ab\feats, lol. that should be based on total level, imo. but please follow rules as written
    thanks for pointing that out
    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:50 pm

    I think I know more Sanskrit than Latin  Laughing

    ABSI=ABility Score Improvement. I agree by keeping it class-specific, it kind of sucks for multi-class characters, but it also serves to help keep game balance.

    Pathfinder also tried to limit multi-classing brokenness, so they introduced the 20th level capstone abilities. Not like anyone ever makes it that far.
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:32 pm

    study official GM rules for guns  study

    Simple firearms:

    pistols =  light 1d6 (range 30/120)  

    rifles = 2H, 1d6  (range 80/320)

    martial firearms:

    hvy rifles =  heavy, 2H .
    1d8  (range 150/600)
    1d10 (range 100/400)


    all firearms - no loading
    on a natural 1, you jam and must spend 1 action to unjam
    +dex bonus to damage, same as bows\xbows

    Keep track of ammo only if it's special type or magical ammo (same for bows\xbows)

    Use the same stats for any type of gun - western style, modern\high tech, laser guns, etc.  I know that isn't logical per se, but I don't want this to be a huge balance issue and this keeps it simple.

    There are special guns, but they are the equivalent of magic items (re-skin magic bows.

    +1 ammunition works the same
    arrow of slaying can be re-skinned into any ammo type
    javelin of lightning - 1 shot laser blast
    necklace of fireballs = grenade bandolier
    potion of firebreathing = dragon's breath round for a shotgun or flamethrower
    magic staves\wands = multi-guns used by technomancers
    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:33 pm

    Great firearms house rules! cheers

    I like the standardized damage codes, despite tech level. My only quibble would be the choice to reskin damage type. So, a bullet normally does Piercing, but a laser might do Radiant, an antimatter gun might do Necrotic, etc.

    I am also fine with ignoring extra rules like burst fire and full-auto capabilites, as well as tactics like fire suppression. But of course those can be fun too!
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:37 pm

    Robyo wrote:
    I like the standardized damage codes, despite tech level. My only quibble would be the choice to reskin damage type. So, a bullet normally does Piercing, but a laser might do Radiant, an antimatter gun might do Necrotic, etc.

    cheers great suggestion, make it so!
    that will be up to the player to decide based on their home-plane. damage type can be any 1 type: fire, cold, electrical, radiant, necrotic, etc


    Robyo wrote:
    I am also fine with ignoring extra rules like burst fire and full-auto capabilites, as well as tactics like fire suppression. But of course those can be fun too!

    scratch  errr..... uh.....  what book\page?
    avatar
    navyik

    Posts : 2883
    Join date : 2012-03-22

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    45/45  (45/45)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  navyik on Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:22 am

    I dunno, even the flintlock pistols from the DMG do better damage than 1d6. I get that you're trying to reskin and balance the system, but at some point there should be a price for bringing a knife to a gunfight. There is already a feat tax on using paired pistols or "handcrossbows", which I find silly, especially if pistols are light, one handed, simple weapons...
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:06 pm

    navyik wrote:I dunno, even the flintlock pistols from the DMG do better damage than 1d6.  I get that you're trying to reskin and balance the system, but at some point there should be a price for bringing a knife to a gunfight.  There is already a feat tax on using paired pistols or "handcrossbows", which I find silly, especially if pistols are light, one handed, simple weapons...


    I intentionally made pistols Light and simple so they could be dual-wielded, without loading for any firearms


    normal rule:

    Two-W e a p o n F ig h t in g
    When you take the Attack action and attack with a light
    melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand, you can
    use a bonus action to attack with a different light melee
    weapon that you’re holding in the other hand. You don’t
    add your ability m odifier to the damage o f the bonus
    attack, unless that modifier is negative.
    If either w eapon has the thrown property, you
    can throw the w eapon, instead o f making a melee
    attack with it.


    study this applies to light pistols as well



    I see these 2 feats

    C r o s s b o w E x p e r t
    Thanks to extensive practice with the crossbow, you
    gain the following benefits:
    • You ignore the loading quality o f crossbows with
    which you are proficient.
    • Being within 5 feet o f a hostile creature doesn’t
    impose disadvantage on your ranged attack rolls.
    • When you use the Attack action and attack with a onehanded
    w eapon, you can use a bonus action to attack
    with a loaded hand crossbow you are holding.

    and

    D u a l W i e l d e r
    You master fighting with two weapons, gaining the
    following benefits:
    • You gain a +1 bonus to AC while you are wielding a
    separate melee weapon in each hand.
    • You can use two-weapon fighting even when the onehanded
    melee w eapons you are wielding aren’t light.
    • You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when
    you w ould normally b e able to draw or stow only one.



    study Dual wielder still makes sense for melee, as you can use a bigger wpn, double draw\stow, and AC bonus

    :study:Crossbow expert is fine since crossbows kinda suck with loading


    NEW FEAT!

    study Pistol expert

    Thanks to extensive practice with the pistols, you
    gain the following benefits:

    • Being within 5 feet o f a hostile creature doesn’t
    impose disadvantage on your ranged attack rolls.
    • You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when
    you w ould normally b e able to draw or stow only one.
    • You gain a +1 bonus to AC while you are wielding a
    separate melee weapon in each hand.



    I basically just combined the two feats as pistols can already be dual wielded. Hand crossbows retain their penalties (guns are simply better).
    avatar
    whit10

    Posts : 3896
    Join date : 2012-03-27

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    19/19  (19/19)
    Action Points:
    1/0  (1/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  whit10 on Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:07 pm

    although, one thing that doesn't seem to come up as often as it could... bows and crossbows are mostly "silent"
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:12 pm

    Let's take a quick vote here.  People are starting to create characters, backstories, etc.  I think it is important to decide the direction the party wants to go in terms of what kind of a story do you want to tell.

    Please vote 1 time for 1 of the following party options:

    1)  planar law enforcement - protecting the planes, good guys, work for higher power group (least personal freedom to choose what you do)

    2) shadow runners\explorers - neutral,  any types of jobs you want, work for different entities, for hire, mercs

    3) criminals - not necessarily evil, but personal gain > planar safety, self motivated direction (hardest for players to decide, but most freedom)


    vote 2:

    1) you are an established party, you write your own backstory of how you got together

    2) first story will be about getting the band together
    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm

    Vote 1:
    #2 (but #1 is okay too). #3 is out of the question for Ghost, unless you're talking about Hooding (rob the rich, give the poor) type of criminality.

    Vote 2:
    #2, how the band got together Cool
    avatar
    whit10

    Posts : 3896
    Join date : 2012-03-27

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    19/19  (19/19)
    Action Points:
    1/0  (1/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  whit10 on Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:34 pm

    Vote 1, #1
    Vote 2, #2

    however, I'm fine with the other option for Vote 2 and the second option for Vote 1
    avatar
    navyik

    Posts : 2883
    Join date : 2012-03-22

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    45/45  (45/45)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  navyik on Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:00 pm

    Vote 1:. #1 (I'm ok with #2)
    Vote 2: #2. (I'm ok with either)
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:59 pm

    lol! bunch of indecisive nancies

    DILLY! DILLY!
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:29 am

    check out Rob's guy

    he did a really good job of re-skinning race\class\items from fantasy to cyber-punk

    http://lodgestgaming.forumotion.com/t371-the-grey-ghost-of-the-barrens#19254
    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:07 pm

    whit10 wrote:although, one thing that doesn't seem to come up as often as it could... bows and crossbows are mostly "silent"

    Excellent point Josh, and one reason why I went with a longbow, rather than sniper rifle, for Ghost. Even a silencer makes some noise.

    Of course if we were going with realistic weapon ranges, the sniper rifle would edge out the long bow in that regard.
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:53 am

    Robyo wrote:

    Of course if we were going with realistic weapon ranges, the sniper rifle would edge out the long bow in that regard.

    very true, especially futuristic sniper rifles, given that modern sniper rifles can hit from 5000+ feet.

    realistically though, 320ft and 3200ft on a combat map are effectively the same, both exceed the map's size
    avatar
    Robyo

    Posts : 3104
    Join date : 2012-04-29

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Robyo on Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:39 am

    Chris wrote:very true, especially futuristic sniper rifles, given that modern sniper rifles can hit from 5000+ feet.

    realistically though, 320ft and 3200ft on a combat map are effectively the same, both exceed the map's size

    Right! Since we usually use maps for combat, it's not much of an issue. However, we could resolve with text. This is a tabletop RPG, after all!
    avatar
    whit10

    Posts : 3896
    Join date : 2012-03-27

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    19/19  (19/19)
    Action Points:
    1/0  (1/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  whit10 on Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:23 am

    speaking of this sort of thing...

    I really like D&D 5E now, however, swords should still be slashing/piercing. I mean, what kinda weird-assed sword are they thinking of?

    Not a huge deal but pretty dumb given that you had to use the point most of the time (especially if you're opponent had armor on)
    avatar
    navyik

    Posts : 2883
    Join date : 2012-03-22

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    45/45  (45/45)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  navyik on Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:17 pm

    whit10 wrote:speaking of this sort of thing...

    I really like D&D 5E now, however, swords should still be slashing/piercing.  I mean, what kinda weird-assed sword are they thinking of?

    Not a huge deal but pretty dumb given that you had to use the point most of the time (especially if you're opponent had armor on)

    This speaks to my only issue with 5e: balance is so important to this system that they forgot that swords are more versatile than other melee weapons.
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:05 pm

    Agreed. But if that is 2 uber-nerds biggest complaints, I can live with that jocolor
    avatar
    whit10

    Posts : 3896
    Join date : 2012-03-27

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    19/19  (19/19)
    Action Points:
    1/0  (1/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  whit10 on Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:20 pm

    uh, no offense, it's not really anything to do with 'nerds' per se. It's the simple fact that, as usual, no one that designs fantasy gaming knows a fucking thing about swords and medieval combat.

    But I digress... how can it be unbalancing to have them the way they have always been? (in PF and older D&D they were slashing/piercing)

    Swords were highly valued for a reason - more versatile and useful than most other weapons. They were more expensive and more highly sought after by warriors of all kinds
    avatar
    Chris

    Posts : 5420
    Join date : 2011-10-26

    Character Information
    Hit points:
    24/24  (24/24)
    Action Points:
    0/0  (0/0)
    Character Sheet:

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Chris on Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:38 pm

    whit10 wrote:uh, no offense, it's not really anything to do with 'nerds' per se.

    oh? scratch

    whit10 wrote:
     It's the simple fact that, as usual, no one that designs fantasy gaming knows a fucking thing about swords and medieval combat.  

    I see study

    Sponsored content

    Re: collaborative world building concept

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:36 am