chapter 3 - The Ranger's Request

An elf repairing a dwarf’s shield…

Onward!

Zontreaux prepares to hustle, casually.

Healing Potion (Lesser)
Item 3
Source Core Rulebook pg. 563 4.0
Price 12 gp
The potion restores 2d8+5 Hit Points.

Barkskin Potion
Item 4
Source Core Rulebook pg. 5624.0
Price 15 gp
After you drink this bitter draft, your skin thickens like bark. You gain the effects of a 2nd-level barkskin spell for 10 minutes.

Duration 10 minutes
The target's skin becomes covered in bark. The target gains resistance 2 to bludgeoning and piercing damage and weakness 3 to fire. After the target takes fire damage, it can Dismiss the spell as a free action triggered by taking the damage; doing so doesn't reduce the fire damage the target was dealt.



Assuming the standard orders, please let me know if you want something different:

Z - scout
Herger - defend
Jace - detect magic
Grim - defend





The party now has about 20 minutes of daylight left.  

Survival check to locate the source of the Blight in this area?
leave the Blighted area and make camp?
something else?

Herger will try a Survival check to discover the source. We can make a decision after that?

Survival:

Wed Sep 20 2023 14:51:07 GMT-0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)
Rolling line 1 : 1d20 + 5 to total : 11, + 5, TOTAL: 16

whit10 wrote:Herger will try a Survival check to discover the source. We can make a decision after that?

Survival:

Wed Sep 20 2023 14:51:07 GMT-0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)
Rolling line 1 : 1d20 + 5 to total : 11, + 5, TOTAL: 16

dang, missed it by 1!


Aid can add a +1 to skill check or attack roll and the wording is pretty interesting, it is actually one of my favorite (if vaguely worded) ideas in PF2e



Aid
Source Gamemastery Guide pg. 13
It's up to you whether someone's preparation is enough to let them Aid an ally. The preparation should be specific to the task at hand. Helping someone hold a lockpick steady might be enough preparation to Aid an attempt to Pick a Lock, but just saying you're going to “encourage” them likely wouldn't. Second, the character who is attempting to Aid needs to be in a proper position to help, and able to convey any necessary information. Helping a character Climb a wall is pretty tough if the character a PC wishes to Aid is nowhere near them. Similarly, a character usually needs to be next to their ally or a foe to Aid the ally in attacking the foe. You'll also need to determine how long the preparation takes. Typically, a single action is sufficient to help with a task that's completed in a single round, but to help someone perform a long-term task, like research, the character has to help until the task is finished.


Aid
[reaction]
Source Core Rulebook pg. 470 4.0
Trigger An ally is about to use an action that requires a skill check or attack roll.
Requirements The ally is willing to accept your aid, and you have prepared to help (see below).
You try to help your ally with a task. To use this reaction, you must first prepare to help, usually by using an action during your turn. You must explain to the GM exactly how you’re trying to help, and they determine whether you can Aid your ally.

When you use your Aid reaction, attempt a skill check or attack roll of a type decided by the GM. The typical DC is 20 (or the same as the DC of the task), but the GM might adjust this DC for particularly hard or easy tasks. The GM can add any relevant traits to your preparatory action or to your Aid reaction depending on the situation, or even allow you to Aid checks other than skill checks and attack rolls.

Critical Success You grant your ally a +2 circumstance bonus to the triggering check. If you’re a master with the check you attempted, the bonus is +3, and if you’re legendary, it’s +4.
Success You grant your ally a +1 circumstance bonus to the triggering check.
Critical Failure Your ally takes a –1 circumstance penalty to the triggering check.


Yes, this can be used out of combat, so ignore the "reaction" part.


So think about this, you can basically be creative and use a different skill that you have to help an ally on a skill check that you don't have.  How cool is that?


here are some combat examples:

using Intimidation to "scare the foe and cause them to hesitate when they are about to dodge an ally's swipe"

or you make an Arcana check to Aid an ally by "creating a distracting array of sparks and flashes while your ally goes in for the attack"

or use Religion, to "offer a prayer to Sarenrae that your allies' strike holds true against the evil foe".



So, would anyone like to explain a creative skill use to Aid Herger with his Survival check?

I can think of one for Jace, but it might be more fun for Matt or Alan to try using this cool rule

Zontreaux puts his old, mundane rapier in hand, handing his silver rapier to Jace.

"Lets get a closer look into these cursed plants, shall we?"

Zontreaux cuts into various plants in various ways, hoping that herger will find further clues within them.

AID

Grim will try to narrow the scope of information Herger must process by looking for a pattern in the progressive worsening of the blight so we can trace towards the center of it.

2 cool ideas, I like them. Now we just need to use the correct mechanics...


When you use your Aid action, attempt a skill check


You have to actually roll a skill and beat the DC of 17 to give the bonus to Herger

Zontreaux sounds like Nature maybe
Grim sounds like Investigation maybe

or describe a different Aid action that goes with a different skill and make that roll

All I'm doing is chopping them up for better viewing, so Athletics?

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +7" :

11 + 7 = 18

Grim will use survival to eliminate areas that look too healthy to be the source of the problem.

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +6" :

5 + 6 = 11

“That stand of rotting bushes looks healthier than that standing of rotting trees…”

With Zontreaux's help, Herger finds his way to the heart of the Blighted area.




As it is dark now, Jace can carry the torch as he doesn't need weapons in his hands.





go ahead and roll initiative now with Z's +1 from Scouting, just so we can sequence play a little easier

Herger's Initiative:

Fri Sep 22 2023 08:26:04 GMT-0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)
Rolling line 1 : 1d20 + 7 to total : 6, + 7, TOTAL: 13

AC: 22 (w/shield)
HP: 32 (currently full)
Fort: 8
Reflex: 8
Will: 5
Movement: 20'

Jace
Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +6" :

2 + 6 = 8


Herger 13
Jace 8

"After you"

Grimgar
Stat Block:
HP: 25/28
AC: 19 Breastplate (17 quilted)
+2 with raised shield 
Fort: 7
Reflex: 5
Will: 8
Move: 20’
Initiative/Perception: +6

Initiative 
Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +6" :

12 + 6 = 18

Grim is up

Grimgar
Stat Block:
HP: 25/28
AC: 19 Breastplate (17 quilted)
+2 with raised shield
Fort: 7
Reflex: 5
Will: 8
Move: 20’
Initiative/Perception: +6

Grim casts Magic weapon on Herger’s sword.
“Don’t outpace each other. make them come to you so we can work the flanks.” Grim moves to B-12.

That’s 3 actions if we’re counting yet. Otherwise he’s still defending.

Yup, normal turns and action economy please.

Grim enchants Herger's sword and moves forward.

Herder is up

Herger will move to C-12 with his sword drawn and shield up. That's easily within his normal 20' movement.

The crazy priest's idea is sound tactically.


Stat block:

AC: 22 (w/shield)
HP: 32 (currently full)
Fort: 8
Reflex: 8
Will: 5
Movement: 20'

Sword is enchanted: +1 and striking +1d8 damage

Jace moves to B11 and activates his arcane ward giving +1 ac in a 5ft radius

Z is up

HP: 32/32
AC: 19 - 21 w/ reaction
Fort: 5
Reflex: 10
Will: 5
Move: 25’ +5 w/ panache
Initiative/Perception: +5
Start with panache, Ends round maintaining panache
Initiative Declined: "After You"

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AP 1: Initiative Declined: "After You"

AP 2: INTERACT, light torch

AP 3: STRIDE 30 ft towards I/5

Chris wrote:

Grimgar 18
Herger 13
Jace 8
Zontreaux *

yellow ring is the light from Z's torch
purple ring is Jace's +1 ac aura





nothing else moves

map updated

back to Grimgar

Grimgar
Stat Block:
HP: 25/28
AC: 19 Breastplate (17 quilted)
+2 with raised shield
Fort: 7
Reflex: 5
Will: 8
Move: 20’
Initiative/Perception: +6

“Looks, like it’s them drawing us in.”
Mystified by the lack of response, grim moves towards 12-i behind cover of his shield. If there’s a change in behavior from the plant creatures he will stop short of 12-i

Grim trundles forward carefully




Herger is up

Herger will move to I-11; same as before with shield and sword

Stat block:

AC: 22 (w/shield)
HP: 32 (currently full)
Fort: 8
Reflex: 8
Will: 5
Movement: 20'

Sword is enchanted: +1 and striking +1d8 damage

navyik wrote:

“Looks, like it’s them drawing us in.”
Mystified by the lack of response, grim moves towards 12-i behind cover of his shield.  If there’s a change in behavior from the plant creatures he will stop short of 12-i

Perhaps I could have clarified my intent through roleplay - "As always gentlemen, I will dance away and behind" or somesuch. I figured I'd made clear what this build does, it's not a "stand and trade blows" fighter.

I expected the main element to hold together as you all seemed to be roleplaying, and since nothing was moving, did my usual maneuvering to turn the flank/provoke a response. My intent was to trigger enemy reaction, adjust our orientation by securing a flank, and clear the path for the party in moving along the top where we could best control incoming threats with reduced exposure/flank risk.

There is still time to avoid getting everyone trapped and surrounded in the center.

I agree with you entirely Matt. The fighter and cleric (with the mage) can handle the 'center' you are better off as a flanker given your fighting style

Jace just follows along and makes no tactical decisions or comments.  If anyone wants Jace to do something, they should tell him so in character.  

Stride and extend aura to 10ft +1ac






Z is up

Z is doing exactly what Grim imagined he would do. Grim is mystified by our ability to approach the plant creatures unchallenged.

navyik wrote:Z is doing exactly what Grim imagined he would do. Grim is mystified by our ability to approach the plant creatures unchallenged.

Good copy - didn't want you you to think i was blowing you off. Im also wary of the inaction.

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HP: 32/32
AC: 19 - 21 w/ reaction
Fort: 5
Reflex: 10
Will: 5
Move: 25’ +5 w/ panache
Initiative/Perception: +5
Start with panache, Ends round maintaining panache

AP 1 & 2: STRIDE 30 ft, end move in Q/5

AP 3: Attack adjacent foe, improvised weapon -2, torch

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +6" :

13 + 6 = 19

Torch dmg
Result of the throw of dice "1d4" :

2 B + 1 Fire

Chris wrote:

Grimgar 18
Herger 13
Jace 8
Zontreaux *
Vine Lashers *last*

Zontreaux strolls up to the unassuming bush and pokes it with torch.  It takes damage and immediately rustles to life along with all the other Vine Lashers.  All Vine Lashers were using Delay and join initiative after Zontreaux.

A single large tendril springs to life in a whip-like motion.  




current map




VL1 whips it tendril at Zontreaux

Melee [one-action] vine +7 [+3/-1] (agile, finesse, reach 10 feet), Damage 1d8+2 plus Grab

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +7" :

18 + 7 = 25

Result of the throw of dice "1d8 +2" :

4 + 2 = 6

Z takes 6 damage and is now "Grabbed"

Grab
[one-action]
Source Bestiary pg. 343
Requirements The monster's last action was a success with a Strike that lists Grab in its damage entry, or it has a creature grabbed using this action. Effect The monster automatically Grabs the target until the end of the monster's next turn. The creature is grabbed by whichever body part the monster attacked with, and that body part can't be used to Strike creatures until the grab is ended.

Using Grab extends the duration of the monster's Grab until the end of its next turn for all creatures grabbed by it. A grabbed creature can use the Escape action to get out of the grab, and the Grab ends for a grabbed creatures if the monster moves away from it.

Vine Lasher has a special addition to the Grab feature, which actually weakens it a bit

Light Hold A creature grabbed by a vine lasher is not immobilized, but the grabbed creature’s space and every adjacent square use the rules for difficult terrain. If the creature moves, the vine lasher moves with it, always keeping the grabbed creature within 10 feet of itself. If two or more vine lashers have a creature grabbed in this way, then the target’s space and adjacent square instead use the rules for greater difficult terrain.


I did a fair bit of research and PF2e doesn't seem to have any clear rules for monsters dragging creatures or picking them up and throwing.  It sounds like this was intentional by the devs so GMs couldn't just toss PCs into lava, but that seems lame.

The idea is the Vine Lashers drag their prey, but mechanically, it is done using the Shove action

Shove
[one-action]
Attack
Source Core Rulebook pg. 243 4.0
Requirements You have at least one hand free. The target can’t be more than one size larger than you.
You push a creature away from you. Attempt an Athletics check against your target's Fortitude DC.

Critical Success You push your target up to 10 feet away from you. You can Stride after it, but you must move the same distance and in the same direction.
Success You push your target back 5 feet. You can Stride after it, but you must move the same distance and in the same direction.
Critical Failure You lose your balance, fall, and land prone.

Shove and free follow is about the same effect as Drag, it just reverses the positioning of the graber and the grabee.

Shove is an "attack" tag action, so it does suffer from the multi-attack penalty

Shove is Athletics vs target Fort DC, Zontreaux has +5 so = 15

Shove
Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +3" :

12 + 3 = 15

The Vine Lasher drags (shoves and follows) Zontreaux 5ft

it will try again

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 -1" :

8 - 1 = 7

nope

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VL2 tries the same trick against Herger

Vine attack
Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +7" :

8 + 7 = 15

nope

#2
Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +3" :

12 + 3 = 15

nope

#3 (cuz it has nothing else to do)

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 -1" :

18 - 1 = 17

nope x3

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VL3 strides twice and waddles over to Grim, 1 vine attack

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +7" :

2 + 7 = 9

nope
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VL4 strides twice around the tree towards Jace and makes 1 vine attack

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +7" :

20 + 7 = 27

crit!

Result of the throw of dice "1d8 +2" :

8 + 2 = 10 x2 = 20!

OUCH  

Jace is at 4\24 HP now and grabbed by VL4


new map with VL moves



top of the round

Chris wrote:

Grimgar 18
Herger 13
Jace 8   (4\24 hp)  grabbed
Zontreaux *  (26\32 hp)  grabbed
Vine Lashers *last*

unless I missed any reactions,  Grimgar is up

if they move up and attack, doesn't Herger get an AoO as a reaction

whit10 wrote:if they move up and attack, doesn't Herger get an AoO as a reaction

uh... no, never has been that way in any game unless you had Sentinel feat in 5e

1 - you don't have a reach weapon and they do
2 - they are 10ft away, so you can't hit them anyways

here is the rules for pf2e version

Attack of Opportunity
[reaction]
Source Core Rulebook pg. 142 4.0
Trigger A creature within your reach uses a manipulate action or a move action, makes a ranged attack, or leaves a square during a move action it’s using.

so the creature has to be in your reach to start with (5ft) and then use a manipulate, "move" tag action, ranged attack or leaves your reach while moving


Herger is still up

right, nevermind, don't know why I thought that...

I think Grimgar is up, actually

I will be traveling between Denver and Chicago on Tuesday and Wednesday. Quick company thing, not social. I will try to post updates if I can but it might be Wednesday night before I have the chance.

Grimgar
Stat Block:
HP: 25/28
AC: 19 Breastplate (17 quilted)
+2 with raised shield
Fort: 7
Reflex: 5
Will: 8
Move: 20’
Initiative/Perception: +6

Exasperated, Grim hustles to G-15
Attack with axe
Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +8" :

2 + 8 = 10

“Herger!”

Grim attacks again
Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +8" :

19 + 8 = 27
-5=22

Damage
Result of the throw of dice "1d8 +4" :

6 + 4 = 10

whit10 wrote:right, nevermind, don't know why I thought that...

I think Grimgar is up, actually

I will be traveling between Denver and Chicago on Tuesday and Wednesday. Quick company thing, not social.  I will try to post updates if I can but it might be Wednesday night before I have the chance.

no worries, have a safe trip.  I apologize that grouchy GMs can be grouchy


Grim chases after Jace's captor and whacks it once with his axe

Chris wrote:

Grimgar 18
Herger 13
Jace 8   (4\24 hp)  grabbed
Zontreaux *  (26\32 hp)  grabbed
Vine Lashers
VL1 (-3 hp)
VL2
VL3
VL4 (-10 hp)
*last*

now Herger is up but we may be paused for a bit

Herger moves to H-13 and it's time to chop some weeds....

Attack action:

Wed Sep 27 2023 22:51:02 GMT-0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)
Rolling line 1 : 1d20 + 11 to total : 19, + 11, TOTAL: 30


ooooh, that could be a crit?

damage if critical:

Wed Sep 27 2023 22:52:24 GMT-0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)
Rolling line 1 : 4d8 + 5 to total : 3, 5, 8, 8, + 5, TOTAL: 29

damage if normal:

Wed Sep 27 2023 22:52:47 GMT-0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)
Rolling line 1 : 2d8 + 5 to total : 8, 4, + 5, TOTAL: 17

more actions pending the outcome of that attack

Housekeeping issue here. We never determined who possesses the potions. 2 lesser healing and 2 bark skin. It’s Grim’s general rule not to have the healer hoarding the healing potions, so at this point each character should have at least one. One Bark skin and a healing potion beyond what supplies other party members he might keep.

Herger Strides and Strikes for 2 APs. That is indeed a crit and more than enough damage to kill VL4! Jace is freed from the grip of the hungry plant.


map current





Herger has 1 AP remaining

Alan, Herger has one of the healing potions, didn't really need the barkskin...


Herger will raise his shield and be done.

Stat block:

AC: 22 (w/shield)
HP: 32 (currently full)
Fort: 8
Reflex: 8
Will: 5
Movement: 20'

Sword is enchanted: +1 and striking +1d8 damage

Jace will Interact to draw a lesser healing potion, Interact to drink it and then Concentrate on his aura, increasing the size by 5ft

PFS StandardHealing Potion (Lesser)
Item 3
Source Core Rulebook pg. 563 4.0
Price 12 gp
The potion restores 2d8+5 Hit Points.

Result of the throw of dice "2d8 +5" :

7 + 1 + 5 = 13

Chris wrote:

Grimgar 18
Herger 13
Jace 8   (17\24 hp)
Zontreaux *  (26\32 hp)  grabbed
Vine Lashers
VL1 (-3 hp)
VL2
VL3
VL4 ]
*last*

Zontreaux is up and grabbed

reminder:   Light Hold A creature grabbed by a vine lasher is not immobilized, but the grabbed creature’s space and every adjacent square use the rules for difficult terrain. If the creature moves, the vine lasher moves with it, always keeping the grabbed creature within 10 feet of itself. If two or more vine lashers have a creature grabbed in this way, then the target’s space and adjacent square instead use the rules for greater difficult terrain.

HP: 26/32
AC: 19 - 21 w/ reaction
Fort: 5
Reflex: 10
Will: 5
Move: 25’ +5 w/ panache
Initiative/Perception: +5
Start with panache, Ends round maintaining panache

AP 1: ESCAPE "Attack" - Zontreaux selects Acrobatics ability

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +8" :

11 + 8 = 19

AP 2&3 Pending results.

MAS wrote:HP: 26/32
AC: 19 - 21 w/ reaction
Fort: 5
Reflex: 10
Will: 5
Move: 25’ +5 w/ panache
Initiative/Perception: +5
Start with panache, Ends round maintaining panache

AP 1: ESCAPE "Attack" - Zontreaux selects Acrobatics ability

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +8" :

11 + 8 = 19

AP 2&3 Pending results.

checking the rules....

Escape
[one-action]
Attack
Source Core Rulebook pg. 470 4.0
You attempt to escape from being grabbed, immobilized, or restrained. Choose one creature, object, spell effect, hazard, or other impediment imposing any of those conditions on you. Attempt a check using your unarmed attack modifier against the DC of the effect. This is typically the Athletics DC of a creature grabbing you, the Thievery DC of a creature who tied you up, the spell DC for a spell effect, or the listed Escape DC of an object, hazard, or other impediment. You can attempt an Acrobatics or Athletics check instead of using your attack modifier if you choose (but this action still has the attack trait).

Athletics DC 10 + 6 = 16


Zontreaux slips away!

HP: 26/32
AC: 19 - 21 w/ reaction
Fort: 5
Reflex: 10
Will: 5
Move: 25’ +5 w/ panache
Initiative/Perception: +5
Start with panache, Ends round maintaining panache

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"...No shrub can hold ZONTREAUX!"

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AP 2: ATTACK, Precise strike, Silver Rapier
Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +3" :

15 + 3 = 18

DMG if hit:
Result of the throw of dice "1d6 +3" :

3 + 3 = 6 P

+2 dmg, Precise strike

6P / 8 total

AP 3: STRIDE to L/8

Zontreaux jabs the vine lasher and darts away.  However, when he gets closer to the other plants....


Hazards: There are three large, colorful plants called poison blooms here (each indicated on the map with an X). If a non-plant creature approaches within 10 feet of any of these poison blooms, all three of them each unleash a cloud of mindfuddle gas that spreads out to a range of 20 feet. The poisonous gas remains in the area for 1 minute, and the poison blooms need 10 minutes to recharge before they can expel this gas again.


Mindfuddle Gas (poison, inhaled); Saving Throw  Fortitude;


It looks like Zontreaux gets hit twice but they poison blooms miss everyone else.

Z needs 2 FORT saves please

Chris wrote:

Grimgar 18
Herger 13
Jace 8   (17\24 hp)
Zontreaux *  (26\32 hp)  grabbed
Vine Lashers
VL1 (-11 hp)
VL2
VL3
VL4 ]
*last*

we need fire

whit10 wrote:we need fire

Zontreaux has a lit torch. I just took the radius of light off the map since there were so many other circles now.

Rolling "1d20 +5" 2 times

1: 5 + 5 = 10
2: 1 + 5 = 6

OOOF.

MAS wrote:Rolling "1d20 +5" 2 times

1: 5 + 5 = 10
2: 1 + 5 = 6

OOOF.

Mindfuddle Gas (poison, inhaled); Saving Throw DC 15 Fortitude;
Maximum Duration 6 rounds;
Stage 1 stupefied 1 (1 round);
Stage 2 stupefied 2 (1 round);
Stage 3 1d4 mental damage, stupefied 2, and confused (1 round)

Z fails both times


Stupefied
Source Core Rulebook pg. 622 4.0
Your thoughts and instincts are clouded. Stupefied always includes a value. You take a status penalty equal to this value on Intelligence-, Wisdom-, and Charisma-based checks and DCs, including Will saving throws, spell attack rolls, spell DCs, and skill checks that use these ability scores. Any time you attempt to Cast a Spell while stupefied, the spell is disrupted unless you succeed at a flat check with a DC equal to 5 + your stupefied value.

ok, lots of micro rules to unpack here....

method of exposure

Inhaled: An inhaled poison is activated by unleashing it from its container. Once unleashed, the poison creates a cloud filling a 10-foot cube lasting for 1 minute or until a strong wind dissipates the cloud. Every creature entering this cloud is exposed to the poison and must attempt a saving throw against it; a creature aware of the poison before entering the cloud can use a single action to hold its breath and gain a +2 circumstance bonus to the saving throw for 1 round.


Multiple exposures

Multiple exposures to the same curse or disease currently affecting you have no effect. For a poison, however, failing the initial saving throw against a new exposure increases the stage by 1 (or by 2 if you critically fail) without affecting the maximum duration. This is true even if you’re within the poison’s onset period, though it doesn’t change the onset length.





A few things to keep in mind...

Afflictions take effect at the end of your turn so if they have anything that can remove a Poison then they can stop themselves from suffering an additional tick of damage.

So at the end of each round, you make another Poison save (since the stages are 1 round long for this poison). If you fail, you advance a stage (get worse) but if you succeed you start to get better (reduce a stage). Critical success\failure moves you by 2 stages and medicine checks help those rolls.


Medicine is a really good skill

Treat Poison
[one-action]
Manipulate
Source Core Rulebook pg. 248 4.0
Requirements You are holding healer's tools, or you are wearing them and have a hand free
You treat a patient to prevent the spread of poison. Attempt a Medicine check against the poison’s DC. After you attempt to Treat a Poison for a creature, you can’t try again until after the next time that creature attempts a save against the poison.

Critical Success You grant the creature a +4 circumstance bonus to its next saving throw against the poison.
Success You grant the creature a +2 circumstance bonus to its next saving throw against the poison.
Critical Failure Your efforts cause the creature to take a –2 circumstance penalty to its next save against the poison.


Afflictions
Source Core Rulebook pg. 457 4.0
Diseases and poisons are types of afflictions, as are curses and radiation. An affliction can infect a creature for a long time, progressing through different and often increasingly debilitating stages. The level of an affliction is the level of the monster, hazard, or item causing the affliction or, in the case of a spell, is listed in the affliction entry for that spell.



Z had 2 exposures, failed both, but no crit fails, so... he starts at Stupified 2 in round 1. At the end of his next turn, he gets to save again to see if he gets better or worse. For Z, being in the cloud would mean another exposure, if he stays there - each round at the start, in addition to the Affliction check at the end.

Poisons are nasty

Chris wrote:

Grimgar 18
Herger 13
Jace 8   (17\24 hp)
Zontreaux *  (26\32 hp)  stupified 2
Vine Lashers
VL1 (-11 hp)
VL2
VL3
VL4 ]
*last*

'

The Vine Lashers continue their insidious plot to grab the party and drag them into the Mindfuddle gas!

VL1 strides to N-8 and whips are Zontreaux

Melee [one-action] vine +7 [+3/-1] (agile, finesse, reach 10 feet), Damage 1d8+2 plus Grab

Light Hold A creature grabbed by a vine lasher is not immobilized, but the grabbed creature’s space and every adjacent square use the rules for difficult terrain. If the creature moves, the vine lasher moves with it, always keeping the grabbed creature within 10 feet of itself. If two or more vine lashers have a creature grabbed in this way, then the target’s space and adjacent square instead use the rules for greater difficult terrain.

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +7" :

4 + 7 = 11

miss!

again

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +3" :

13 + 3 = 16

miss!

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VL2 (1) strides to I-11 and (2) whips at Jace

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +7" :

12 + 7 = 19

got him!

Result of the throw of dice "1d8 +2" :

3 + 2 = 5

Jace takes 5 and is GRABBED

VL2 will now try to Drag Jace into the poison cloud

Athletics check
Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +6" :

8 + 6 = 14

not quite enough!  whew

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VL 3 (1) strides to J-13 and (2) whips at Herger

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +7" :

12 + 7 = 19

miss!  nice AC, dang it

again

Result of the throw of dice "1d20 +3" :

14 + 3 = 17

nope

Chris wrote:

Grimgar 18
Herger 13
Jace 8   (12\24 hp)  grabbed
Zontreaux *  (26\32 hp)  stupified 2
Vine Lashers
VL1 (-11 hp)
VL2
VL3
VL4 ]
*last*

Grimgar is up, mind the gas